Scouting Success

A recent article in The Buffalo News got my mind to wandering about the Buffalo Sabres and their scouting department. Much has been made of late about the Sabres decision not to retain Don Luce over the summer of 2006, and the losses of Jim Benning and Terry Martin that same summer. Luce was the Director of Player Personnel, Benning was the Director of Amateur Scouting, and Martin was the Director of Pro Scouting.

At the time, there was much confusion as to why Benning and Martin left for Boston and Colorado, respectively, while Luce was not retained by the Sabres. In hindsight it seems clear that Sabres GM Darcy Regier had made his intentions known about the move towards an increase in video scouting, and those gentlemen were not comfortable with the direction in which the Sabres were going.

Since that time, the local media and many pundits have been particularly critical of the the Sabres decision. A couple months back Bucky Gleason referred to the Sabres as “scouting with computers,” and his shots at the Sabres scouting system are fairly common.

But what has really taken place, and do we have a long enough track record to judge the success or failure of video scouting?

The 2007 draft was the Sabres first draft that was conducted under their new structure. Buffalo lacked a first-round pick that year, but did have two second-rounders. The draft unfolded as follows:

2 (31) T.J. Brennan (D)
2 (59) Drew Schiestel (D)
3 (89) Corey Tropp (RW)
5 (139) Bradley Eidsness (G)
5 (147) Jean-Simon Allard (C)
6 (179) Paul Byron (C)
7 (187) Nick Eno (G)
7 (209) Drew Mackenzie (D)

Not having a first-round pick makes judging the draft rather difficult, because of this little nugget:

- Based on the 1990s sample, a first-round draft pick has a 63 percent chance of being a career player.

- From 1990 to 1999, about one-quarter of the players selected in the second round turned into NHL career players. (ed. note: a “career player” is one who has played 200 NHL games)

- From over 2,000 players selected in the third round and beyond during 1990s, just 261 made it as NHL career players. That’s about 12 percent.

Because of the relative uncertainty surrounding the drafting of 18-year-old kids, anything beyond the first couple rounds is basically a crapshoot, although some teams roll a “seven” often enough that we can conclude there are teams that simply draft “better” than others.

Overall, it is far too soon to draw conclusions about the 2007 (or 2008) draft as most of them are in Juniors or are entering their sophomore or junior years in college. So anyone making statements that video scouting is a failure is not using any objective measure, but is instead being subjective about it.

But back to the article that set me to thinking…

Apparently, Sabres prospect Marek Zagrapan signed a deal with a KHL club and will be heading back to Russia. In the same article, they mention Barrett Heisten and Artem Kryukov as other first-round Sabres busts. Which got me to thinking about how the Sabres had fared in drafts that Regier ran with Luce, Benning and Martin around, and how that would compare to the numbers I referenced above. The 1998 draft was the first of those, so here is a list of all the first-rounders from 1998-2006 with my “career” expectations:

2006 – Dennis Persson (too early, bust or journeyman)
2005 – Marek Zagrapan (bust)
2004 – Drew Stafford (career)
2003 – Thomas Vanek (career)
2002 – Keith Ballard (bust)
2002 – Daniel Paille (career)
2001 – Jiri Novotny (might just make it to career)
2000 – Artem Kryukov (bust)
1999 – Barrett Heisten (bust)
1998 – Dmitri Kalinin (career)

As we learned above, the league average for career players on first-rounders is 63%. The Sabres come in at 40%, possibly 50% if Novotny can find a team willing to take him this year. Either way, it’s below the league average.

As for second-rounders, it depends on how we grade the careers of Chris Thorburn and “Fax-Machine” Mike Zigomanis, who both currently fall below the “career” threshold but could make it if they find jobs next year. Without them, Buffalo is at 20%; with them, 33%.

Despite the nature of looking at such small sample sizes, it seems to me that the Buffalo Sabres are not as successful as their peers when it comes to drafting players in the first round, and are about equal to their peers in the second round. When I did a quick analysis of the third round (1998-2004) the Sabres shake out anywhere between 12.5% and 15%. Pretty close to the league average but with a much larger sample size.

What does it all mean? It means that the Sabres are at best an average-drafting team under Darcy Regier, and at worse are slightly below-average. It also means that we have no idea how much, if any, video scouting will harm the team in the future. Lastly, it means that the three gentlemen who are held up as such great talent evaluators were probably very similar to their peers around the league. You can use individual examples (Ryan Miller – 5th round, or Barrett Heisten – bust) to prove any point or drive any agenda you wish.

The other point I wanted to address was the myth that the Sabres “replaced” their scouting department with video scouting. I read it enough in the Buffalo News and hear talk radio callers mention it so often that it has become gospel. It is simply not true, and a quick check of the Sabres website should confirm that. They list eight amateur scouts, three pro scouts, a Director of Amateur Scouting, and a Director of Amateur Scouting Operations.

Let’s compare those 11 scouts to a few other teams whose websites I checked out today:

Boston – 9
Montreal – 15
Ottawa – 13
Toronto – 16
Columbus – 11
Chicago – 11
Nashville – 10
St. Louis – 10 (plus six part-time scouts)
Detroit – 9 (really? that was unexpected)
New Jersey -21 (that seems odd)
Rangers – 14
Philly – 15
Pittsburgh – 11

Doesn’t look like the Sabres are doing anything different than these other teams, and many teams had a “director of video scouting” listed in their front office as well.

My conclusion? “Video scouting” is a term being tossed around by certain irresponsible media types without bothering to look into the facts or dig a little deeper for points to support an argument. It is an easy term to bandy about in order to rile up the masses or drive home the recurring theme that the Sabres are “cheap.”

Now you have the facts with which to draw your own conclusions.

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  1. DiscoStu41 says:

    Keith Ballard has 315 career NHL games. Is he listed as bust because we traded him away before he played a game as a Sabre?

  2. Chris says:

    I think you might have your career expectations reversed for Ballard and Novotny. Ballard has played more games and has over twice as many points as Novotny. At worst he should be considered a journeyman, but much more likely a career. Actually, if you compare careers thus far, Thorburn has had a better one than Novotny, too.

  3. Chris says:

    Another reason to pray for lower oil prices:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4224764

    I don’t care so much about Zagrapan, who hasn’t, uh, panned out as planned. But the Enroth situation is worth watching.

  4. Chris says:

    Another point:
    “1st round draft pick” (career/bust) is a pretty terrible way to measure success. Drafting numbers #1-#5 obviously have a much higher success rate than #15-#20 and so on. And the jury is still out for players that are aged 21 through, say 24.

    But I like the idea for the piece. And scouting departments also make their money on late round picks. My own standard for success in a draft is something along the lines of: if you get two skaters in the league out of seven, four years after your draft, you’re doing pretty well.

  5. Kevin says:

    Let’s not get bogged down in the details, boys.

    The main point is that by any statistical measure the Sabres fall right in line with everybody else in the league. So I am not sure why people are decrying the demise of the Sabres scouting department without evidence to the contrary.

    And Chris, I thought about expanding the conversation to where the players were selected, but I had no readily available source to make that research easy, so I let it go. But your point is of course very accurate. There’s no WAY you should screw up the Vanek pick, and some of these guys (like Zagrapan) went at #13, which greatly improves your chances.

  6. ian says:

    other then detroit- what teams do you think are so great at drafting? Disregard teams that sucked for like 5 years in a row before turning things around (ie pittsburg, chicago, washington etc). the only teams that really stand out for me are boston and new jersey – i dont follow the west coast very much.

    i was under the impression that the sabres are one of the better drafting teams in the nhl as such a huge portion of players rose up through their system. am i wrong here?

  7. Jerome says:

    I will NOT eat this cat poop

  8. LevysGhost says:

    Awaiting moderation? Wow, now we live in the Soviet Union, or China. I went back to this blog before bed to see if there was any response to what should be response #8. and i didn’t see it posted….my reply, that is! It is “awaiting moderation”! woww wow wow. I do hope Dear Leader Kim Il Kevin approves my humble post.

  9. Kevin says:

    Sorry Dude. You must have tripped the spam trigger. And, frankly, it’s late at night and I don’t care to find out why that happened.

    Obviously I didn’t block you from commenting because your other comment is here. Just a function of the Spam program we have.

    So, if I care to get to your comment tomorrow I might approve it. But I am playing golf in the morning and will be spending time with my family all afternoon. If it was a commenter I respected I would get to it right away, but you warrant no such treatment.

    Funny thing is, I just read your comment and you call me “Kevin,” in quotes, doubting my identity and imply that I am a Sabres employee. The vast majority of my readers know who I am and for whom I work. Sorry, but your comments don’t matter because if you read this blog from the beginning you would know how wrong you are.

    So, again, perhaps another blog would be best for you.

  10. twoeightnine says:

    Liar. Everyone knows you’re kevin sylvester.

  11. vtTom says:

    MEOW…

  12. Keller says:

    Keith Ballard would be a Top 3 defenseman on the current Sabres team. Buffalo is great at drafting solid 3rd and 4th line players….not so good drafting true Top 6 forwards.

 

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