Comments on: The Hawkeye Cauci

By: Noble in WNY

Noble in WNY — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:01:36 +0000

Interesting how many of the points made by the left point to an ‘evil Bush’ worldview, as if we now know why certain evils exist or can be explained. Much of the bleating about Bush by the left is a direct result of a historic tin ear, a selectivism of circumstances to fit a given scenario. Hank has correctly identified BDS which is alive and well in many citizens’ myopic psyche. Here is the qualifier; George Bush is a living breathing human with problems, emotions, feelings, etc. just like myself and others. He has biases and beliefs that make him the person he is. He is not a Hollywood-created and controlled movie character (shall we use the Darth Vader example here???) that his detractors would like you to think. Just like the person that writes the myopic drivel for the ‘Snooze, FartVoice, etc., he is driven by personal experiences, concerns unique to their individual path. Psychobabble aside, almost everyone has something to contribute. George Bush happens to have arguably the most stressful/responsible job in the world as head of the lone super power. (Knowitalls, insert here what YOU would have done in a given situation. Hindsight is 20-15) He happened to be in this position when we were attacked (some relativists might say ‘protested against’) on 9-11, a position not too many presidents have dealt with. The constant criticism of this president is an embarrassment as it reveals the very spoiled nature of our citizenry. (see Sarkozy’s comments made recently, a breath of fresh air, and long overdue) So much time to bitch about so many things we really know very little about, so much air time, rag space, and the aggrandization of personal experiences. When will we realize that the world does not revolve around our wants, needs and very often, Utopian worldviews?

By: hank

hank — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:36:59 +0000

Bush Derangement Syndrome—Alive and well, eh Tatonka?

We know that especially in foreign policy,the Sainted Bill Clinton made NO mistakes—perhaps except when he ordered that bombing of the aspirin factory while he was splooging down Monica’s throat.

I don’t agree with Bush on many positions and decisions, but the Bush Hatred thing is carried to an incredible extreme.

By: Tatonka

Tatonka — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:54:47 +0000

I suppose if torturing prisoners is a necessary evil, it follows logically that covering this up by destroying evidence is also a necessary evil (since it permits the first n.e. to continue unchallenged).

I’ll say one thing for Bushism – it’s not too taxing on the conscience.

By: Russell

Russell — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:07:41 +0000

I’m sure the timing and subject were just coincedence.

By: Tatonka

Tatonka — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:54:28 +0000

No one’s made predictions yet. I’ll guess:

DEM

1. Edwards
2. Obama
3. Clinton

REP

1. Romney
2. Huckabee
3. McCain

By: Tatonka

Tatonka — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:08:51 +0000

I didn’t misrepresent your statement – I referred to “Bush defenders” generally, some of whom definitely do think that this is a sufficient justification. Don’t assume that every post is about you.

By: Russell

Russell — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:57:39 +0000

It’s not a “Bush wasn’t the first” excuse. Anyone can go back and read what I’ve said on the subject before. I won’t condemn it because it’s a necessary evil. Our government’s first responsibility is to protect its citizens. Sometimes that means it has to do things that are unseemly and polite society would rather not even know about.

Don’t misrepresent my statements especially when you know better, even if that’s what you need to do to try to feel superior.

By: Tatonka

Tatonka — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:51:04 +0000

But Bush defenders don’t want to take that first step. Hence the hypothetical ticking bomb scenarios and the “yeah but Bush wasn’t the first” excuse. It seems bizarre to me, but they can’t even bring themselves to condemn torture, for God’s sake.

By: Derek J. Punaro

Derek J. Punaro — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:49:33 +0000

His position speaks for itself. It maligns all children of immigrants as being unworthy of birthright citizenship – something that has existed in this country for its entire existence, with the sole exception of slaves.

Every policy statement I’ve seen mentioning ending birthright citizenship is done so in the context of illegal immigration. Policy statements are not law, and while enacting them the nuances are played out. I doubt even Ron Paul himself would argue against granting citizenship to the children of legal immigrants.

I don’t think people enter this country illegally to get the sweet, sweet welfare.

I don’t think people who talk on cell phones while driving are doing so because have complete disregard for everyone else’s safety, but societally we’ve enacted laws that have to be enforced and followed, otherwise there’s no point in having them at all. To apply the analogy to this discussion would be like saying you can only be ticketed if you’re caught while making the call, but not once you’re talking.

There are lots of things that would have a net benefit to the economy that are illegal. That doesn’t give them a free pass.

By: Buffalopundit

Buffalopundit — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:40:56 +0000

So what you’re saying is that the perception of moral authority is better than the fact of it- that hypocrisy is a virtue? I beg to differ. And I think really, you do to.

You’re making a leap there, eac. My point is that would be nice if our government could at least make mouth-noises about torture being bad. Now, the government is torturing and proud of it.

Did you prefer extraordinary renditions and our very own Gulag Archipelago when you didn’t know about them? I imagine you find them repugnant either way. Secrecy in government, by the way, is hardly a merit to demonstrate to the world. If we’re going to go ahead and torture people, let’s just be up front about it, absolutely.

How about we don’t let’s torture people, and at least get back to a situation where we acknowledge that it’s bad and then stop altogether.

Pick any era of American history and you can point to some things that were not exactly a shiny beacon to the rest of the world. This doesn’t mean “America Sucks;” it simply reflects the fact that we struggle, as does the rest of the world, in attempting to be as good as we can be. Mythologizing our past does not in any way help us avoid the same mistakes in the future

Right, and my point was that this country had a reputation as being that shiny beacon, and the Bush Administration has done yeoman’s work of obliterating that.

Like the addict, it would be best if we first admit that we have a problem.