62 Comments

1. Mike In WNY says:

   October 29, 2008 at 12:37 pm

   Byron:

   Generally I reserve name calling for outrageously idiotic statements like your “Thought of the Day”. Which you still have made no serious attempt to defend.

   Now you are just outright lying, I’ve explained my statement and the reason for it twice in this thread and have never advocated denying the vote to poor people.

   Have a good day, a rational discussion with you is impossible.
2. Byron says:

   October 29, 2008 at 12:45 pm

   “I have never advocated denying the vote to poor people.”

   Right. Only (1) people who don’t property, and (2) people who get government handouts. Not poor people – that’s a completely different group.

   I’m sure you find that “having a rational discussion”, as you define it, is impossible with almost everyone.
3. Byron says:

   October 29, 2008 at 12:46 pm

   who don’t own property . . .
4. Ray says:

   October 29, 2008 at 1:19 pm

   Byron, I have been following this thread and I can only find you attributing “Charles Keating was a victim” to Mike in WNY. I have not seen Mike say that on this thread. Unless I’m missing something maybe you are referring to another thread?

   As far as your “denying the vote to poor people” claim. Mike was bringing up a valid concern about property owners and non-property owners, a concern that has been with us since the beginning of this republic at the federal, state and local levels. The question and concern is about non-property owners voting to take away the rights and property of property owners and how to deal with it in the law.
   Obviously by looking at the current state of our corrupt governments, they have dealt with it over the decades by circumventing constitutional protections and created a complex system of mutual plunder where the rich can plunder the poor and middle class and the poor and middle class can plunder the rich and middle class. This is really all for the benefit of the political class who use the system to create a constant state of social agitation and fear, its how they gain and hold onto power.

   But back to my original question (October 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am):

   Byron! Answer my friggin questionnnnnnnn!
5. Byron says:

   October 29, 2008 at 1:36 pm

   Yes, Mike’s “Keating was a victim” rant – which he wholly cribbed from a lewrockwell.com article (by a 9/11 Truther); Mike clearly knows zero about the case himself – is in another thread, albeit referenced in this thread.

   If you think Mike’s Thought of the Day raised a “valid concern”, good for you. I think it’s a comically reactionary rant. Apparently most people here agree with me. But doubtless they haven’t learned – as you two have – to cast off the shackles of their indoctrinated ideas about, you know, universal suffrage and other such twaddle?

   As for your question – I thought you were just going to answer for me because I was just “throwing out red herrings” (cleverly disguised as throwing Mike’s own words right back at him)?
6. Snarky Snarkmore McSnarkamaphone says:

   October 29, 2008 at 1:59 pm

   So let’s see- according to MikeinWNY, if my house was just forclosed on as a result of the larger finanacial crisis, and I am now on the street or, heavans, renting, I should no longer be an eligable voter? Funny, ’cause that’s a disenfranchisment trick right out of the Republican playbook.

   So, let’s say this again: If I am an Iraq vet, and I come back from my tour to find that my wife has left me for for another man, and now I have to live with my parents or find my own apartment (Wife’s got the keys to the house, after all; legal proceedings are afoot and might well go against me with respect to not only the house but also the kids), now I am disenfranchised?

   mmmm, gee, Mike- you wonder why you have trouble convincing people of the rightousness of this position?

   You know what, guy: Fuck You, Too!
7. STEEL says:

   October 29, 2008 at 2:35 pm

   If we get right down to it the right wing does not really believe in voting at all or the constitution for that matter. The whole Bush Cheney regime as been dedicated to shredding the constitution.

   Listening to all those voters is such a bother.
8. Buffalopundit says:

   October 29, 2008 at 2:45 pm

   @Ray:

   As far as your “denying the vote to poor people” claim. Mike was bringing up a valid concern about property owners and non-property owners, a concern that has been with us since the beginning of this republic at the federal, state and local levels. The question and concern is about non-property owners voting to take away the rights and property of property owners and how to deal with it in the law.

   Probably the aggrieved can file lawsuits. Last time I checked, we had a judicial branch.

   Obviously by looking at the current state of our corrupt governments, they have dealt with it over the decades by circumventing constitutional protections and created a complex system of mutual plunder where the rich can plunder the poor and middle class and the poor and middle class can plunder the rich and middle class. This is really all for the benefit of the political class who use the system to create a constant state of social agitation and fear, its how they gain and hold onto power.

   The middle class plunders from itself. That’s fascinating analysis.
9. Ray says:

   October 29, 2008 at 5:25 pm

   @ STEEL

   “If we get right down to it the right wing does not really believe in voting at all or the constitution for that matter. The whole Bush Cheney regime as been dedicated to shredding the constitution.”

   Hey STEEL, when did the left wingers start believing in the constitution? That’s news to me. When the majority of the left and the right were against the bailouts, your elected gods didn’t give a crap about what you little peon voters thought. They took a look at you, they took a look at plundering you—they chose plunder.
   Where were the lefties when the Bush/Cheny regime was shredding the constitution? Oh that’s right, they were cranking up the shredder and taking part in pluddering the treasury there too.
10. Ray says:

    October 29, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Byron, you never failed to meet my expectations. Did you really think I expected an answer to my question from you? You did everything to divert attention from it. Putting words in Mike’s mouth like being against universal suffrage and saying he wrote a “comically reactionary rant”. I must have missed the joke part. Why didn’t you just accuse him of thought crimes and hate crimes while you were at it.

    You couldn’t answer the question, “is it an immoral act of theft for any voter to support or for politicians to enact laws that only benefit specific interest groups by forcing others to involuntarily give up their rights and property?”

    If you answered YES, you would be denouncing those socialistic beliefs of yours, that corruption of what you call democracy.

    If you answered NO, you would be admitting for all to see that you are a moral slug.

    Good Bye
11. STEEL says:

    October 29, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    Ray,

    I am not a lefty so I really don’t know what you are talking about. I do know that the democrats in congress prevented Paulson from getting absolute power over the US treasury as requested by Bush-Cheney. I do know that the democrats in congress have never advocated for torture. I do know that the democrats have never advocated for scooping someone up off the street and sending them to prison without due process.
12. Byron says:

    October 29, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    “Putting words in Mike’s mouth like being against universal suffrage . . . ”

    WTF? Did that guy even read this thread?

    In any case: Off you go, then !!!