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	<title>Comments on: CanalSide ver. 6.0 (a.k.a Boy Who Cried Wolf Harbor)</title>
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		<title>By: Buffalo Pundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2008. It was a year.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffalo Pundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2008. It was a year.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After the election, I started looking at local stuff again. A hit &amp; run at Main &amp; LaSalle, a fugly hotel in Buffalo&#8217;s Waterfront Village, the treachery of the gang of three and the nonsense in the State Senate, Six Sigma efforts, Canal Side, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After the election, I started looking at local stuff again. A hit &amp; run at Main &amp; LaSalle, a fugly hotel in Buffalo&#8217;s Waterfront Village, the treachery of the gang of three and the nonsense in the State Senate, Six Sigma efforts, Canal Side, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WNYPMH</title>
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		<dc:creator>WNYPMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;God helps those that help themselves
Conservatives want to help people who want to help themselves
Liberals want to help people who refuse to help themselves.&quot;

I agree with the God part....

Conservatives help those who want to help Conservatives (make money)

Liberals recognize that money in the hands of the middle class makes it back into the economy quicker thus driving a healthy, prosperous economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God helps those that help themselves<br />
Conservatives want to help people who want to help themselves<br />
Liberals want to help people who refuse to help themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with the God part&#8230;.</p>
<p>Conservatives help those who want to help Conservatives (make money)</p>
<p>Liberals recognize that money in the hands of the middle class makes it back into the economy quicker thus driving a healthy, prosperous economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Denizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say &quot;stinking pile of horeshit&quot; is a pretty accurate description of this plan. All the money that will be thrown at this pipe dream should be instead put to something useful...like say...rebuilding rail infrastructure as alluded to above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say &#8220;stinking pile of horeshit&#8221; is a pretty accurate description of this plan. All the money that will be thrown at this pipe dream should be instead put to something useful&#8230;like say&#8230;rebuilding rail infrastructure as alluded to above.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lefty---some good ideas.

But NYS should take care of NYS problems. Buffalo should take care of Buffalo problems. But it seems both always look to the Federal Government for help. I think MIKE calls this gimmegimmegimme.

God helps those that help themselves
Conservatives want to help people who want to help themselves
Liberals want to help people who refuse to help themselves.

Look around Buffalo---does it look like a place where self-reliance and stick-to-it-ivness thrives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lefty&#8212;some good ideas.</p>
<p>But NYS should take care of NYS problems. Buffalo should take care of Buffalo problems. But it seems both always look to the Federal Government for help. I think MIKE calls this gimmegimmegimme.</p>
<p>God helps those that help themselves<br />
Conservatives want to help people who want to help themselves<br />
Liberals want to help people who refuse to help themselves.</p>
<p>Look around Buffalo&#8212;does it look like a place where self-reliance and stick-to-it-ivness thrives?</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;CanalSide fatigue&quot; --I like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;CanalSide fatigue&#8221; &#8211;I like that.</p>
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		<title>By: lefty</title>
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		<dc:creator>lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I am going to throw out a theory just for kicks.


President Elect Obama and company have floated the idea of a $700Billion to $1Trillion infrastructure investment to spark the economy.  President Elect Obama has also said he is a fan of High Speed Rail.  Democrats like Higgins and local Democrats have also said they are in favor of the removal of the skyway. So what if....


Bass Pro is no longer the plan and this is nothing more than a stall.

The Aud site is feet away from the Donovan Building.  The Donovan building is staying put but it used to be home to Lehigh Valley Terminal.  The rail lines for the old Lehigh Valley Railroad are pretty much in tack all the way to the Central Terminal. From the Central Terminal, there is existing rail line all the way to Rochester.....and down the line.  Heading the other way, there is some existing rail lines North to the Peace Bridge, which could cross into Canada and head to Toronto.

What if the plan is to NOT build a Bass Pro but instead build a Downtown High Speed Rail Terminal?  The end goal is connecting NYC to Toronto via Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and Albany...

The Aud site would sit on top of the existing Metro line where passengers could get off and head north to UB or stay downtown.  The Aud site is 50ft from HSBC Arena where passengers could come from Toronto or Rochester for a Sabres game or eventually a Bills game?  It would be much easier to sell luxury boxes and raise ticket prices if you can draw from that far out.  Can I point out that Larry Quinn works for both the Sabres and is the Chairman for Canal Side Development Committee?

Also, if you look at the evolution of the plans, less and less construction is being placed UNDER the skyway.  As in making it easier to remove down the road.

Now I know a lot of people have said keep the skyway up...but the only logical reason outside of preservation of a commute time was the cost.  But what if the Federal Government was going to pick up the tab?  What if the cost was removed from the local taxpayer and spread out over the Federal taxpayer?  It is not like President Elect Obama is going to be Gung-ho in building infrastructure in Texas or Arizona...for obvious reasons.

Added to this, Hillary Clinton as the Secretary of State has a job description.  One of which is to promote friendly relationships, economic trade and peace with the nations of the world.  What if the trade is not product but workforce?  What if Clinton views a reversal of outsourcing from Toronto to Buffalo as a healthy trade relationship with Canada?

Another way to look at it is this.  If $700Billion is spent on infrastructure, the equal share for just Erie County, based on population, would be $2.3Billion.  This is more than enough to fund the skyway removal and kick in to the $10B it would cost to bring a statewide HS rail network.

Crazy I know...but sure as hell is fun to think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I am going to throw out a theory just for kicks.</p>
<p>President Elect Obama and company have floated the idea of a $700Billion to $1Trillion infrastructure investment to spark the economy.  President Elect Obama has also said he is a fan of High Speed Rail.  Democrats like Higgins and local Democrats have also said they are in favor of the removal of the skyway. So what if&#8230;.</p>
<p>Bass Pro is no longer the plan and this is nothing more than a stall.</p>
<p>The Aud site is feet away from the Donovan Building.  The Donovan building is staying put but it used to be home to Lehigh Valley Terminal.  The rail lines for the old Lehigh Valley Railroad are pretty much in tack all the way to the Central Terminal. From the Central Terminal, there is existing rail line all the way to Rochester&#8230;..and down the line.  Heading the other way, there is some existing rail lines North to the Peace Bridge, which could cross into Canada and head to Toronto.</p>
<p>What if the plan is to NOT build a Bass Pro but instead build a Downtown High Speed Rail Terminal?  The end goal is connecting NYC to Toronto via Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and Albany&#8230;</p>
<p>The Aud site would sit on top of the existing Metro line where passengers could get off and head north to UB or stay downtown.  The Aud site is 50ft from HSBC Arena where passengers could come from Toronto or Rochester for a Sabres game or eventually a Bills game?  It would be much easier to sell luxury boxes and raise ticket prices if you can draw from that far out.  Can I point out that Larry Quinn works for both the Sabres and is the Chairman for Canal Side Development Committee?</p>
<p>Also, if you look at the evolution of the plans, less and less construction is being placed UNDER the skyway.  As in making it easier to remove down the road.</p>
<p>Now I know a lot of people have said keep the skyway up&#8230;but the only logical reason outside of preservation of a commute time was the cost.  But what if the Federal Government was going to pick up the tab?  What if the cost was removed from the local taxpayer and spread out over the Federal taxpayer?  It is not like President Elect Obama is going to be Gung-ho in building infrastructure in Texas or Arizona&#8230;for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>Added to this, Hillary Clinton as the Secretary of State has a job description.  One of which is to promote friendly relationships, economic trade and peace with the nations of the world.  What if the trade is not product but workforce?  What if Clinton views a reversal of outsourcing from Toronto to Buffalo as a healthy trade relationship with Canada?</p>
<p>Another way to look at it is this.  If $700Billion is spent on infrastructure, the equal share for just Erie County, based on population, would be $2.3Billion.  This is more than enough to fund the skyway removal and kick in to the $10B it would cost to bring a statewide HS rail network.</p>
<p>Crazy I know&#8230;but sure as hell is fun to think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Pink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Pink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s development via press conference.  I think they have all have reminders built into their Outlook calendars that tell them, &quot;hey, it&#039;s been a while since you said anything about Bass Pro, better do a press event.&quot;

I also think they unveil new models when they think other projects are getting more attention.   This community is coming to realize that UB2020 and not Bass Pro offers hope for a better tomorrow.  It&#039;s the one project that has near-unanimous suppot and stands a chance of happening.  Plus, it has some real momentum behind it.

But the waterfront crowd can&#039;t stand to lose the spotlight to something else, hence another meaningless press event, plan and model to take pictures of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s development via press conference.  I think they have all have reminders built into their Outlook calendars that tell them, &#8220;hey, it&#8217;s been a while since you said anything about Bass Pro, better do a press event.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also think they unveil new models when they think other projects are getting more attention.   This community is coming to realize that UB2020 and not Bass Pro offers hope for a better tomorrow.  It&#8217;s the one project that has near-unanimous suppot and stands a chance of happening.  Plus, it has some real momentum behind it.</p>
<p>But the waterfront crowd can&#8217;t stand to lose the spotlight to something else, hence another meaningless press event, plan and model to take pictures of.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its brilliant.

They&#039;ll take down the Aud as fast as they can, BP, and then we&#039;ll see some construction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its brilliant.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll take down the Aud as fast as they can, BP, and then we&#8217;ll see some construction.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This presentation was referred to in Geek&#039;s post as a &quot;Steaming Pile of Horseshit&quot;.

Unfortunately for Geek and those who love WNY, it&#039;s the 6th steaming pile of horseshit that&#039;s been offered, and just as likely to be replaced by Steaming Pile of Horseshit version 7.0, which is now in the pre-planning stages.

I can&#039;t help seeing it this way.
I was born in 1957, and that part of the city looked exactly the way it does 51 years later--  save some small recent attempts---Aud still there, Skyway was there, open spaces were there.

Chances are I won&#039;t live to be 100, but if I do, It won&#039;t surprise me one bit if on my 100th Birthday, Geek&#039;s grandchildren will be blogging about Steaming Pile of Horse Shit Version 108.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This presentation was referred to in Geek&#8217;s post as a &#8220;Steaming Pile of Horseshit&#8221;.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for Geek and those who love WNY, it&#8217;s the 6th steaming pile of horseshit that&#8217;s been offered, and just as likely to be replaced by Steaming Pile of Horseshit version 7.0, which is now in the pre-planning stages.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help seeing it this way.<br />
I was born in 1957, and that part of the city looked exactly the way it does 51 years later&#8211;  save some small recent attempts&#8212;Aud still there, Skyway was there, open spaces were there.</p>
<p>Chances are I won&#8217;t live to be 100, but if I do, It won&#8217;t surprise me one bit if on my 100th Birthday, Geek&#8217;s grandchildren will be blogging about Steaming Pile of Horse Shit Version 108.</p>
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		<title>By: WNYPMH</title>
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		<dc:creator>WNYPMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s beautiful, but I wonder if they had all the money back that they spent on plans and models and studies and press conferences for versions 1-6 if we couldn&#039;t have built and stocked our own version of Bass Pro from ground up. Maybe we could make Larry Quinn manager of that too, since he is doing such fine work on the CanalSide project and the Sabres.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s beautiful, but I wonder if they had all the money back that they spent on plans and models and studies and press conferences for versions 1-6 if we couldn&#8217;t have built and stocked our own version of Bass Pro from ground up. Maybe we could make Larry Quinn manager of that too, since he is doing such fine work on the CanalSide project and the Sabres&#8230;..</p>
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