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	<title>Comments on: Architects Say the Hotel is the Pitts</title>
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		<title>By: Buffalo Geek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffalo Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Shorter Buffalo Common Council Meeting...&lt;/strong&gt;


So, I had hoped to attend today&#8217;s meeting of the Buffalo Common Council&#8217;s Committee on Waterfront Development, but I have an an actual job.  Since the committee meets at 2PM on a workday, it can be tough to free up an entire an afternoon ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Shorter Buffalo Common Council Meeting&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>So, I had hoped to attend today&#8217;s meeting of the Buffalo Common Council&#8217;s Committee on Waterfront Development, but I have an an actual job.  Since the committee meets at 2PM on a workday, it can be tough to free up an entire an afternoon &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: indabuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>indabuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt a HEARTY AMEN!</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the great failure of so many of our downtowns: doomed to be parking lots where suburbanites visit on the weekends and evenings, vibrant for a few hours here and there, and then returned to an urban desert during the overwhelming down time.

Somewhere Jane Jacobs rolls over in her grave.

Where are the lofts or row houses?  Where are the bus and train stops?  Where are the small corner stores and boutiques?

Where is the commitment to mixed uses?  Where is the knowledge that open space for its own sake is a negative?

I don&#039;t have solutions, but doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, urban planning not excluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the great failure of so many of our downtowns: doomed to be parking lots where suburbanites visit on the weekends and evenings, vibrant for a few hours here and there, and then returned to an urban desert during the overwhelming down time.</p>
<p>Somewhere Jane Jacobs rolls over in her grave.</p>
<p>Where are the lofts or row houses?  Where are the bus and train stops?  Where are the small corner stores and boutiques?</p>
<p>Where is the commitment to mixed uses?  Where is the knowledge that open space for its own sake is a negative?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have solutions, but doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, urban planning not excluded.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chili&#039;s, applebee&#039;s, mcdonald&#039;s, pizza hut = all 9999999x better than shanghai red&#039;s. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chili&#8217;s, applebee&#8217;s, mcdonald&#8217;s, pizza hut = all 9999999x better than shanghai red&#8217;s. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris from OP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris from OP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Monty Python has already explored the possibility of a building that doubled as apartments and an abbatoir. (I&#039;d put up a link like a good netizen, but I&#039;m blocked at work)Perhaps Buffalo could employ their services for this parcel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Monty Python has already explored the possibility of a building that doubled as apartments and an abbatoir. (I&#8217;d put up a link like a good netizen, but I&#8217;m blocked at work)Perhaps Buffalo could employ their services for this parcel?</p>
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		<title>By: Buffalopundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buffalopundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Don&#039;t be a dick or anything, @wes

My point was that the nastiness of the Wingate proposal was pretty self-evident, and even a blog commenter, apparently, can tell you that.

Whether the AIA &quot;adds credence to the arguement&quot; may indeed be true.  Since I wasn&#039;t mocking them, or referring to their opinion as late or irrelevant, I think you&#039;re overreacting just a smidge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Don&#8217;t be a dick or anything, @wes</p>
<p>My point was that the nastiness of the Wingate proposal was pretty self-evident, and even a blog commenter, apparently, can tell you that.</p>
<p>Whether the AIA &#8220;adds credence to the arguement&#8221; may indeed be true.  Since I wasn&#8217;t mocking them, or referring to their opinion as late or irrelevant, I think you&#8217;re overreacting just a smidge.</p>
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		<title>By: wes</title>
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		<dc:creator>wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We really didn’t need architects to tell anyone that the proposed Wingate hotel on the Waterfront is shitty.&quot;...&quot;Did we really need architects to tell us that?&quot;

No, but the AIA has a little more clout and adds credence to the arguement.  A lawyer/blogger lecturing the masses on architecture and urban planning is fine and dandy, but a local professional association who&#039;s members are educated and experienced in the field means a bit more.  Are you suggesting that the architects&#039; opnions aren&#039;t germaine or are you just looking for kudos for being one step ahead of the AIA in this bitchfest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We really didn’t need architects to tell anyone that the proposed Wingate hotel on the Waterfront is shitty.&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;Did we really need architects to tell us that?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, but the AIA has a little more clout and adds credence to the arguement.  A lawyer/blogger lecturing the masses on architecture and urban planning is fine and dandy, but a local professional association who&#8217;s members are educated and experienced in the field means a bit more.  Are you suggesting that the architects&#8217; opnions aren&#8217;t germaine or are you just looking for kudos for being one step ahead of the AIA in this bitchfest?</p>
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		<title>By: frieda</title>
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		<dc:creator>frieda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your point Andrew. If you lived on top of city hall or in the middle of main place you would still have to drive 7 miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your point Andrew. If you lived on top of city hall or in the middle of main place you would still have to drive 7 miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Like Applebees.

Have you tried the Quesodilla Burger? Delicious.

For culinary excellence, evict Left Bank and force them to move to the Waterfront.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Like Applebees.</p>
<p>Have you tried the Quesodilla Burger? Delicious.</p>
<p>For culinary excellence, evict Left Bank and force them to move to the Waterfront.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Kulyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Kulyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Waterfront Village so f-ed up? Because the city never really put together a Master Plan with design guidelines, mixed uses, a contiguous access plan for adjoining waterfront uses. Instead they cast their net for RFP&#039;s for the various tracts of land down there, and what you go is a mix of suburban style townhouses, no commercial uses at all, and a separation barrier (the 190) keeping that neighborhood away from the urban core.

I laugh when I see the new condos there being sold as &quot;downtown housing&quot;. To participate in any downtown amenities or activities, one must get in a car and drive and park. or traverse across fencing, a railroad bed and under the thruway. I actually walked through a condo at Marina Park last summer during an open house; the owner was there and I remarked &quot;Gee it&#039;s got to be tough just buying a loaf of bread...you guys got to drive all the way to Tops on Niagara.&quot; His reply? &quot;Heavens no! NOBODY from here shops over there...we all go to Wegman on Amherst St!&quot; (So message received --- Waterfront Village denizens don&#039;t want to shop for groceries with THOSE people.)

So point is... live down there and one drives SEVEN mies for a quart of milk or loaf of bread. Insane!

As to the Hotel That Is The Pitts.. truth be told the Ciminelli plan isn&#039;t exactly a head turner either. What the city needs to do is inventory every last buildable square foot of land in WV, design some cool looking, built-to-the-street  structures with retail and commercial uses incorporated into the designs, improve streetscapes and public spaces to give a sense of urban lifestyle, perhaps build some pedestrian underpasses which are bright and cheery and connect this neighborhood into downtown proper. It&#039;s not too late to finish this entire project right. But yeah The Hotel That Is The Pitts has got to go. Kearns and Fronczak get it! Let&#039;s hope the rest of the Council does as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Waterfront Village so f-ed up? Because the city never really put together a Master Plan with design guidelines, mixed uses, a contiguous access plan for adjoining waterfront uses. Instead they cast their net for RFP&#8217;s for the various tracts of land down there, and what you go is a mix of suburban style townhouses, no commercial uses at all, and a separation barrier (the 190) keeping that neighborhood away from the urban core.</p>
<p>I laugh when I see the new condos there being sold as &#8220;downtown housing&#8221;. To participate in any downtown amenities or activities, one must get in a car and drive and park. or traverse across fencing, a railroad bed and under the thruway. I actually walked through a condo at Marina Park last summer during an open house; the owner was there and I remarked &#8220;Gee it&#8217;s got to be tough just buying a loaf of bread&#8230;you guys got to drive all the way to Tops on Niagara.&#8221; His reply? &#8220;Heavens no! NOBODY from here shops over there&#8230;we all go to Wegman on Amherst St!&#8221; (So message received &#8212; Waterfront Village denizens don&#8217;t want to shop for groceries with THOSE people.)</p>
<p>So point is&#8230; live down there and one drives SEVEN mies for a quart of milk or loaf of bread. Insane!</p>
<p>As to the Hotel That Is The Pitts.. truth be told the Ciminelli plan isn&#8217;t exactly a head turner either. What the city needs to do is inventory every last buildable square foot of land in WV, design some cool looking, built-to-the-street  structures with retail and commercial uses incorporated into the designs, improve streetscapes and public spaces to give a sense of urban lifestyle, perhaps build some pedestrian underpasses which are bright and cheery and connect this neighborhood into downtown proper. It&#8217;s not too late to finish this entire project right. But yeah The Hotel That Is The Pitts has got to go. Kearns and Fronczak get it! Let&#8217;s hope the rest of the Council does as well.</p>
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