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		<title>By: HGDS &#38; LINK &#124; Yahoo! in Western NY &#171; HG Design Studios LLC&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>HGDS &#38; LINK &#124; Yahoo! in Western NY &#171; HG Design Studios LLC&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HGDS &amp; LINK &#124; Yahoo! in Western&#160;NY In Architecture and Environmental Research, General Business, HG Design Studios, LLC on 2009/06/18 at 5:58 pm  http://buffalogeek.wnymedia.net/blogs/2009/05/21/yahoo-datacenter-wny/comment-page-1/#comment-88720 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Heather N Grimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather N Grimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to disagree in part with the proposed sites not in close proximity to our Urban Centers. The proposed site of Lockport is probably one of the most ideal places one could place this data center. No, it&#039;s not right in downtown Buffalo, rather instead it&#039;s of equal travel time from Buffalo, Niagara Falls and both the  Buffalo International Airport and the Niagara Falls International Airport. This proposed location utilizes the resources from both major urban areas in the Western NY region as well as strengthens both by benefits of job opportunities, economic stabilization, and future suburban growth which in turn promotes further development in both cities and their suburbs and increased visitor interest as a whole to our region. In addition the area proposed is largely undeveloped at this point, but has the resources and infrastructure available to take on a vast and quick development as large companies such as Yahoo! seek to establish themselves within the area.

I would also have to point out that routes to which one would travel between either city, or airport are already equipped to handle current heavy traffic flow, thus not jeopardizing the existing  context of the proposed suburban area.

I think it&#039;s due time that Western NY embraces the interest of companies that exist within the fields of technology and sustainability. We have for some time felt the effects of downsizing factories, and urban and suburban layoffs are on the rise. Yahoo! and similar companies would serve as a resource to help sustain the economic shifts occuring from the weakening industrial era to a post-industrial revolution of technology and sustainability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to disagree in part with the proposed sites not in close proximity to our Urban Centers. The proposed site of Lockport is probably one of the most ideal places one could place this data center. No, it&#8217;s not right in downtown Buffalo, rather instead it&#8217;s of equal travel time from Buffalo, Niagara Falls and both the  Buffalo International Airport and the Niagara Falls International Airport. This proposed location utilizes the resources from both major urban areas in the Western NY region as well as strengthens both by benefits of job opportunities, economic stabilization, and future suburban growth which in turn promotes further development in both cities and their suburbs and increased visitor interest as a whole to our region. In addition the area proposed is largely undeveloped at this point, but has the resources and infrastructure available to take on a vast and quick development as large companies such as Yahoo! seek to establish themselves within the area.</p>
<p>I would also have to point out that routes to which one would travel between either city, or airport are already equipped to handle current heavy traffic flow, thus not jeopardizing the existing  context of the proposed suburban area.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s due time that Western NY embraces the interest of companies that exist within the fields of technology and sustainability. We have for some time felt the effects of downsizing factories, and urban and suburban layoffs are on the rise. Yahoo! and similar companies would serve as a resource to help sustain the economic shifts occuring from the weakening industrial era to a post-industrial revolution of technology and sustainability.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The internal contradictions of Mr. Smith&#039;s article need to be pointed out.  On the one hand, he says economic development should be brought to urban areas to encourage &quot;spinoff&quot; development.  Presumably, spinoff development would not - could not - occur in rural areas.  But the spinoff development Mr. Smith thrists for IS sprawl.  And since is would NOT occur in rural areas (as he leads us to believe), wouldn&#039;t the anti-sprawl solution be to locate in a rural area?

If you want to see the worst examples of urban sprawl, drive to the urban and suburban locales Mr. Smith favors.  An asphalt jungle.  The only green areas to see are the large tracts of land in the city that have been long abandoned and bulldozed and left as wasteland.

And how would placing a data center in a rural area &quot;encourage wasteful planning?&quot;  I&#039;d be willing to bet that many of these areas have land use plans that are more equipped to handle large development than Buffalo and Niagara Falls - urban centers which have far too dysfunctional governments to engage in good urban planning - much less attract business in the first place.

I&#039;m sensitive to Mr. Smith&#039;s attempts to rationalize why development should occur in his own back yard.  However, Google and Yahoo are not interested in his back yard.  It&#039;s Medina, and Pembroke, and Pendleton that they like.  Clearly, this realization is hard on the urban conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internal contradictions of Mr. Smith&#8217;s article need to be pointed out.  On the one hand, he says economic development should be brought to urban areas to encourage &#8220;spinoff&#8221; development.  Presumably, spinoff development would not &#8211; could not &#8211; occur in rural areas.  But the spinoff development Mr. Smith thrists for IS sprawl.  And since is would NOT occur in rural areas (as he leads us to believe), wouldn&#8217;t the anti-sprawl solution be to locate in a rural area?</p>
<p>If you want to see the worst examples of urban sprawl, drive to the urban and suburban locales Mr. Smith favors.  An asphalt jungle.  The only green areas to see are the large tracts of land in the city that have been long abandoned and bulldozed and left as wasteland.</p>
<p>And how would placing a data center in a rural area &#8220;encourage wasteful planning?&#8221;  I&#8217;d be willing to bet that many of these areas have land use plans that are more equipped to handle large development than Buffalo and Niagara Falls &#8211; urban centers which have far too dysfunctional governments to engage in good urban planning &#8211; much less attract business in the first place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sensitive to Mr. Smith&#8217;s attempts to rationalize why development should occur in his own back yard.  However, Google and Yahoo are not interested in his back yard.  It&#8217;s Medina, and Pembroke, and Pendleton that they like.  Clearly, this realization is hard on the urban conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Prodigal-Son</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prodigal-Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Littered with typo&#039;s . . .

Clean Energy and HSBC, of course, I meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Littered with typo&#8217;s . . .</p>
<p>Clean Energy and HSBC, of course, I meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Prodigal-Son</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prodigal-Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geek - I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve posted on this. I&#039;ve been waiting to hear what you had to say, being the IT guy.

Stupid me, not being the IT guy, would think that proximity to the physical fiber would be a major factor in choosing a site. Cleaning energy and sych is nice, but when we have a DATA CENTER, you need a big pipe close to the biggest pipe available. I had heard that Buffalo has major fiber infrastructure, because the location between NY and TO.

Sooooo, where is the fibre in Pembroke? HSBA was going to put a data center there, so it must be close? Could &quot;shovel ready&quot; sites in Buffalo not be that shovel ready because its too hard to lay new fiber in ground where steel was smelted for 100 years? I&#039;m asking because I don&#039;t know.

Personally, if they only have the three sites to work in, I hope they choose the one between NF and Lockport. At least then its in the Buff-Niagara area. Ironically, if it goes to Orleans County, its in WNY, but counted against Rochester&#039;s MSA and shows as jobs in &quot;their&quot; numbers. It would further reinforce nothing tech wise happens in Buffalo, but does in Rochester.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geek &#8211; I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve posted on this. I&#8217;ve been waiting to hear what you had to say, being the IT guy.</p>
<p>Stupid me, not being the IT guy, would think that proximity to the physical fiber would be a major factor in choosing a site. Cleaning energy and sych is nice, but when we have a DATA CENTER, you need a big pipe close to the biggest pipe available. I had heard that Buffalo has major fiber infrastructure, because the location between NY and TO.</p>
<p>Sooooo, where is the fibre in Pembroke? HSBA was going to put a data center there, so it must be close? Could &#8220;shovel ready&#8221; sites in Buffalo not be that shovel ready because its too hard to lay new fiber in ground where steel was smelted for 100 years? I&#8217;m asking because I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Personally, if they only have the three sites to work in, I hope they choose the one between NF and Lockport. At least then its in the Buff-Niagara area. Ironically, if it goes to Orleans County, its in WNY, but counted against Rochester&#8217;s MSA and shows as jobs in &#8220;their&#8221; numbers. It would further reinforce nothing tech wise happens in Buffalo, but does in Rochester.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yahoo is moving into the cloud space quite deliberately, which is the underlying reason for this expansion of regional datacenters.  I think they are moving away from using search as a primary revenue stream while moving into services.

With that said, Yahoo moving in that direction certainly opens up significant opportunities for partnership with local vendors and amplifies the silliness of locating in a remote area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo is moving into the cloud space quite deliberately, which is the underlying reason for this expansion of regional datacenters.  I think they are moving away from using search as a primary revenue stream while moving into services.</p>
<p>With that said, Yahoo moving in that direction certainly opens up significant opportunities for partnership with local vendors and amplifies the silliness of locating in a remote area.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek J. Punaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek J. Punaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the plus side, they could put up a big Yahoo! sign next to the Yancey&#039;s Fancy sign, adding some extra visual punch to New York&#039;s Artisan Cheese.  Maybe even some sort of cross promotion possibilities?  Flying J could be renamed Flying Y! now with free WiFi.  Tie-ins with Darien Lake, like the &quot;Yahoo! we&#039;re-hoping-for-a Boomerang&quot;.

Joking aside, Yahoo! really isn&#039;t dead yet, they just need to redirect their focus away from traditional web search to stay viable.  I find their portal content to be better than Google&#039;s, especially the financial news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the plus side, they could put up a big Yahoo! sign next to the Yancey&#8217;s Fancy sign, adding some extra visual punch to New York&#8217;s Artisan Cheese.  Maybe even some sort of cross promotion possibilities?  Flying J could be renamed Flying Y! now with free WiFi.  Tie-ins with Darien Lake, like the &#8220;Yahoo! we&#8217;re-hoping-for-a Boomerang&#8221;.</p>
<p>Joking aside, Yahoo! really isn&#8217;t dead yet, they just need to redirect their focus away from traditional web search to stay viable.  I find their portal content to be better than Google&#8217;s, especially the financial news.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The area is kind of ambiguous, perhaps my lack of clarity is due to the lack of messaging from economic development teams.  Supposedly, the proposed location is on Route 77 between the Pembroke exit of the 90 (Genesee County) and Medina (Orleans County).

So, it could be in Orleans or Genesee counties depending where on Route 77 the facility is dropped.

In Niagara County, the proposed locations are supposedly in an area north of Lockport and another in Cambria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The area is kind of ambiguous, perhaps my lack of clarity is due to the lack of messaging from economic development teams.  Supposedly, the proposed location is on Route 77 between the Pembroke exit of the 90 (Genesee County) and Medina (Orleans County).</p>
<p>So, it could be in Orleans or Genesee counties depending where on Route 77 the facility is dropped.</p>
<p>In Niagara County, the proposed locations are supposedly in an area north of Lockport and another in Cambria.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused...you mentioned Niagara and Genesse counties but then you mentioned Medina, which is in Orleans.  It isn&#039;t that important, I&#039;m just a bit confused.

I grew up in Medina and I don&#039;t believe that it makes very much sense for Yahoo! to be in Medina.  It&#039;s a very blue collar area, many people have little to no college education, factory jobs prevail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused&#8230;you mentioned Niagara and Genesse counties but then you mentioned Medina, which is in Orleans.  It isn&#8217;t that important, I&#8217;m just a bit confused.</p>
<p>I grew up in Medina and I don&#8217;t believe that it makes very much sense for Yahoo! to be in Medina.  It&#8217;s a very blue collar area, many people have little to no college education, factory jobs prevail.</p>
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		<title>By: FancyWow</title>
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		<dc:creator>FancyWow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>preach

How does this analysis move from your blog to the attention of the masses and the pols?  Who&#039;s positioned to carry this message?

This is the economic development equivalent of &quot;I have a girlfriend, she&#039;s from Canada...you don&#039;t know her&quot;  If folks can&#039;t see that Yahoo is there, then it fails to become a relevant win and industry leader in the region.</description>
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<p>How does this analysis move from your blog to the attention of the masses and the pols?  Who&#8217;s positioned to carry this message?</p>
<p>This is the economic development equivalent of &#8220;I have a girlfriend, she&#8217;s from Canada&#8230;you don&#8217;t know her&#8221;  If folks can&#8217;t see that Yahoo is there, then it fails to become a relevant win and industry leader in the region.</p>
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