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An Australian TMZ reporter confronted Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) outside a Senate hearing Thursday, challenging him to explain how punishing someone for using the Fifth Amendment could be constitutional.
The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee had just voted 8-5 along party lines to hold former top federal health official Dr. Anthony Fauci in contempt of Congress for invoking his Fifth Amendment right 111 times at a hearing last week. TMZ reporter Charlie Cotton caught Scott in the hallway immediately after.
"Now maybe I'm just, like, not in the know because I'm Australian," Cotton said to Scott, "but how can you hold someone in contempt and punish someone for using a constitutional right? Isn't it there to use as a right?"
Scott argued Fauci had no grounds to use it.
"He had a pardon, so he — he didn't have that right to do that once he had the pardon," the senator said.
"But didn't he have risk of prosecution because if he'd misspoke, or if he'd lied or something?" Cotton pressed.
"Yeah, if he lied," Scott admitted.
"So he was at risk?" Cotton pointed out.
"He didn't have the right," Scott insisted.
"But not from the hearing," Cotton said, "because the hearing — if he lied, you said that he could be held, you know, accountable for that."
"He could've just told the truth," Scott said. "That's all he had to do."
"Well, he felt like it was a witch hunt," Cotton pushed back, "and you guys would stop at nothing to catch him and send him to prison."
"That's not my intention," Scott said. "I just want to get information."
"It's Rand Paul's intention, though," Cotton pressed.
"No," Scott said. "It's for his actions."
As Cotton was asking his next question, the Republican senator quickly walked away.
"Yep. Okay then," the TMZ reporter said.
Former federal prosecutor Neama Rahmani told Newsweek that invoking the Fifth was "the right legal move" — the pardon covered past conduct, but pleading the Fifth protected Fauci from perjury charges based on anything he said at the hearing.
As CEO of Columbia/HCA, Scott himself invoked the Fifth Amendment 75 times in a 2000 civil deposition while the company faced a federal investigation that led to a $1.7 billion settlement — at the time the largest Medicare fraud case in American history, Florida Phoenix reported.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) planned to hand-deliver the contempt referral to the Justice Department Thursday, bypassing a full Senate floor vote, CBS News reported.

President Donald Trump's use of a decoy plane in Turkey and escape via a catering truck, with journalists none the wiser, was detailed in a new analysis for Slate by Ian Prasad Philbrick.
The plan, intended to avert an assassination threat, was basically "something out of a spy movie," Philbrick wrote.
"The catering truck, which typically loads in-flight meals, parked on the right side of Air Force One, partially shielded from media cameras," he wrote. As part of the ruse, Trump "crossed to the other side of the presidential plane after boarding and stepped into the truck’s elevated container," after which the catering truck lowered the container, drove to a military jet, and offloaded its human cargo to be routed home through the United Kingdom — without journalists or even some White House officials any the wiser.
One of the most shocking aspects of the whole affair, wrote Philbrick, is that the Trump administration was essentially using all the journalists who thought they were flying with the president "as bait" for any would-be assassination plot without letting them know.
Furthermore, he noted, after the flight, "asked why reporters had had to close their window shades when leaving Turkey, Trump failed to mention that he had switched flights. 'I’m No. 1 on their list,' he said, referring to Iran. 'But if I go, you go. Right?' As it turns out, maybe not."
Decoy flights are not completely unheard of for the president, Philbrick wrote — but it's still extremely uncommon.
"Officials were vague about George W. Bush’s whereabouts immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks, and Bill Clinton took an unmarked plane from India to Pakistan in 2000," wrote Philbrick. However, in these cases, "even Bush had reporters with him, and Clinton’s staff told at least one journalist about the switch beforehand."
Philbrick also took the ruse as a sign that Trump's war against Iran is not going well.
"In short, lasting peace seems further away than ever," he wrote.
